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		<title>By: David Fishman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Fishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an active participant in religious life who holds Bill Maher in great esteem, I am very much looking forward to this movie. 

I am of course open to the fact that a preoccupation with imaginary friends/higher beings and their teachings is an intellectually risky course. 

Considering how fragile most people&#039;s grip on reality is (look who&#039;s running for Vice President!), they are easily undone by the contradiction that (from Martha Nussbaum of The New Republic) (http://www.tnr.com/booksarts/story.html?id=511ec724-6299-4bf4-adf7-38059cff16ae&amp;k=76271): 

    &quot;the fact that some of my neighbors pursue salvation 
    in a way that differs from my own is hard to contemplate without
    anxiety. Could it be that they are right and I am wrong?&quot; 

The article, a review of a new book collection of the works of Roger Williams, founder of Rhode Island, is a great survey of the fundamental tolerance required for healthy conscience. My favorite line: &quot;To impose orthodoxy upon the striving conscience is nothing less than what Williams, in a memorable and repeated image, calls &#039;Soule rape.&#039; &quot; 

Williams&#039; analogy, one that would likely appeal to Maher whether he uses it or not, is that rape is to sex what religious extremism is to faith. Back in the day, Williams was persecuted for critiquing the nominal advocates of religious liberty among the Puritans, on restricting their largesse to white Christians like themselves. Maher&#039;s a tighter writer, but the impulse is still right ~400 years later. 

I look forward to Maher&#039;s help in scrubbing the world of those idiots who can&#039;t live with difference, in the words of Roger Williams, between Peace and Truth. I expect it to be a religious experience :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an active participant in religious life who holds Bill Maher in great esteem, I am very much looking forward to this movie. </p>
<p>I am of course open to the fact that a preoccupation with imaginary friends/higher beings and their teachings is an intellectually risky course. </p>
<p>Considering how fragile most people&#8217;s grip on reality is (look who&#8217;s running for Vice President!), they are easily undone by the contradiction that (from Martha Nussbaum of The New Republic) (<a href="http://www.tnr.com/booksarts/story.html?id=511ec724-6299-4bf4-adf7-38059cff16ae&amp;k=76271" rel="nofollow">http://www.tnr.com/booksarts/story.html?id=511ec724-6299-4bf4-adf7-38059cff16ae&amp;k=76271</a>): </p>
<p>    &#8220;the fact that some of my neighbors pursue salvation<br />
    in a way that differs from my own is hard to contemplate without<br />
    anxiety. Could it be that they are right and I am wrong?&#8221; </p>
<p>The article, a review of a new book collection of the works of Roger Williams, founder of Rhode Island, is a great survey of the fundamental tolerance required for healthy conscience. My favorite line: &#8220;To impose orthodoxy upon the striving conscience is nothing less than what Williams, in a memorable and repeated image, calls &#8216;Soule rape.&#8217; &#8221; </p>
<p>Williams&#8217; analogy, one that would likely appeal to Maher whether he uses it or not, is that rape is to sex what religious extremism is to faith. Back in the day, Williams was persecuted for critiquing the nominal advocates of religious liberty among the Puritans, on restricting their largesse to white Christians like themselves. Maher&#8217;s a tighter writer, but the impulse is still right ~400 years later. </p>
<p>I look forward to Maher&#8217;s help in scrubbing the world of those idiots who can&#8217;t live with difference, in the words of Roger Williams, between Peace and Truth. I expect it to be a religious experience <img src='http://montaraventures.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a plan.  However I don&#039;t think pointing out the benefits of rationalism is practical enough to succeed.
There are quite a few cases where religion gives people something they need; hope, community, support etc. (I know there are many examples of it doing the opposite).  But to replace religion something needs to fill that void and if rationalism doesn&#039;t have a community/structure to do that I&#039;m not sure how it will succeed at it over a sustained period of time.  
Religions are well evolved replicating societal memes so anything that tries to usurp that would need to be equally &#039;fit&#039; and I&#039;m not sure something looking like that exists yet..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a plan.  However I don&#8217;t think pointing out the benefits of rationalism is practical enough to succeed.<br />
There are quite a few cases where religion gives people something they need; hope, community, support etc. (I know there are many examples of it doing the opposite).  But to replace religion something needs to fill that void and if rationalism doesn&#8217;t have a community/structure to do that I&#8217;m not sure how it will succeed at it over a sustained period of time.<br />
Religions are well evolved replicating societal memes so anything that tries to usurp that would need to be equally &#8216;fit&#8217; and I&#8217;m not sure something looking like that exists yet..</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 05:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guess I need to get plugged in, thanks Steve.</description>
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		<title>By: Stephen Years</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Years</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It is time for a movement to come together, get organized, and start converting the flock to rationalist positions from their parent-facilitated brainwashing of religion.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Richard Dawkins and a few other luminaries founded The Brights movement (http://www.the-brights.net/) which seek to do exactly what you have said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It is time for a movement to come together, get organized, and start converting the flock to rationalist positions from their parent-facilitated brainwashing of religion.</p></blockquote>
<p>Richard Dawkins and a few other luminaries founded The Brights movement (<a href="http://www.the-brights.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.the-brights.net/</a>) which seek to do exactly what you have said.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 17:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a conclusion we should draw from that fact Sin-Yaw?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a conclusion we should draw from that fact Sin-Yaw?</p>
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		<title>By: Sin-Yaw Wang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sin-Yaw Wang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 17:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over 75% of Chinese are atheists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over 75% of Chinese are atheists.</p>
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